This past Saturday we were childless (got a sitter) and took another couple on the boat up the Wolf River to Fremont and had dinner at Ted’s Grandview. http://www.tedsgrandview.com/ We made reservations by calling Ted’s at 920-446-3261.
Earlier this summer we anchored and watched the Ted’s Grandview sponsored fireworks. They were great and I said I was going to make a point to get to this place.
Take the Wolf River to Fremont. After you go under the bridge you go past the Bridge Bar, the Slipknot, hotel Fremont and a few houses. Going upriver Ted’s Grandview will be on your port of left side. If you get past the no-wake zone you went too far. They have docks along the river.
The front of the restaurant is mostly windows. They sit high on the river bank. Due to the location you can see the east half of Partridge lake as well as part of the Wolf River. The view is, well, grand, making the name Ted’s Grandview appropriate.
We had a great time. Wine, appetizers, salad, soup, steaks and the level of service were all excellent. It was a chilly evening so we dined indoors however they do have an outdoor deck.
For a reasonably priced supper club with a relaxing atmosphere, excellent view, friendly service and good food I give Ted’s my two thumbs up.
Monday, September 11, 2006
Monday, August 14, 2006
Dealing with Lake Winnebago in rough chop
Lake Winnebago has a unique chop when the winds pick up.
Michigan has waves that are much larger however they have more distance between the peak and trough of each wave. This gives the boat time to ride up and down the waves.
Smaller instate lakes can get rough to the point where the peak of the wave falls over causing a white area on the top or cap of the wave. These whitecaps are close together. The length of the typical cruiser is such that the wave is shorter then the length of the boat.
Then you have Lake Winnebago. When it gets rough the hull of the boat will come over the peak of the wave then in the air the boats hull falls until it reaches the trough of the wave. The hull meeting the trough is done with a bang and you know you hit.
This pounding is hard on the boat and uncomfortable for the passengers.
If you find yourself in a similar situation try lowering the outdrive then pres one trim tab in the ‘bow down’ method until you get a reasonable amount of pitch to one side (don’t go to the maximum) then press the other trim tab to level or balance the boat. Then throttle back a bit.
This should drive your bow hard down.
Driving your bow hard down allows you to lower your speed to 20 or 21 MPH and still not fall off plane. Also your bow gets pushed down hard on the crest of the waves so you don’t get that fast freefall followed by that hard bang as your hull falls through the air and into the hole or trough between the waves.
Your boat will still go up and down but the hard bang is replaced by more of a whoosh due to the reduction or elimination of the freefalling hull and reduced velocity when the hull meets the trough of the wave.
Your speed will vary. As you cross larger waves your speed will drop then rise as you cross areas with smaller waves.
You may need to make fine throttle adjustments until you find a balance between going too fast, causing the banging hull and going to slow causing you to loose your plane. Your goal is to hold plane at the slowest possible speed and keep the bow hard down into the waves.
Once I get the boat set I do not touch the throttle. We still fall into the troughs but it’s much more gentle.
Give this a try and let us know your results.
The above information was prepared by Lisa at Presentation Rentals a audiovisual equipment rental company in Appleton Wisconsin that offers LCD projector PA public address sound system and accessories. Visit them on the web at http://www.presentationrentals.net
Boat - SeaRay Sundancer 240
Port - Slip #2A, Skipper Buds, Oshkosh, WI
Lisa
Michigan has waves that are much larger however they have more distance between the peak and trough of each wave. This gives the boat time to ride up and down the waves.
Smaller instate lakes can get rough to the point where the peak of the wave falls over causing a white area on the top or cap of the wave. These whitecaps are close together. The length of the typical cruiser is such that the wave is shorter then the length of the boat.
Then you have Lake Winnebago. When it gets rough the hull of the boat will come over the peak of the wave then in the air the boats hull falls until it reaches the trough of the wave. The hull meeting the trough is done with a bang and you know you hit.
This pounding is hard on the boat and uncomfortable for the passengers.
If you find yourself in a similar situation try lowering the outdrive then pres one trim tab in the ‘bow down’ method until you get a reasonable amount of pitch to one side (don’t go to the maximum) then press the other trim tab to level or balance the boat. Then throttle back a bit.
This should drive your bow hard down.
Driving your bow hard down allows you to lower your speed to 20 or 21 MPH and still not fall off plane. Also your bow gets pushed down hard on the crest of the waves so you don’t get that fast freefall followed by that hard bang as your hull falls through the air and into the hole or trough between the waves.
Your boat will still go up and down but the hard bang is replaced by more of a whoosh due to the reduction or elimination of the freefalling hull and reduced velocity when the hull meets the trough of the wave.
Your speed will vary. As you cross larger waves your speed will drop then rise as you cross areas with smaller waves.
You may need to make fine throttle adjustments until you find a balance between going too fast, causing the banging hull and going to slow causing you to loose your plane. Your goal is to hold plane at the slowest possible speed and keep the bow hard down into the waves.
Once I get the boat set I do not touch the throttle. We still fall into the troughs but it’s much more gentle.
Give this a try and let us know your results.
The above information was prepared by Lisa at Presentation Rentals a audiovisual equipment rental company in Appleton Wisconsin that offers LCD projector PA public address sound system and accessories. Visit them on the web at http://www.presentationrentals.net
Boat - SeaRay Sundancer 240
Port - Slip #2A, Skipper Buds, Oshkosh, WI
Lisa
Monday, August 07, 2006
Boating & Sailing web site
Boating & Sailing is a web site designed to explore the topics of safe vessel use, boating emergencies, clean boating practices, vessel maintenance, and life on the waterfront. Boating represents a major growth industry worldwide and more people join the community daily. Items of interest to recreational boaters will be identified and explored in detail. The boating industry is dependent on boaters who enjoy the boating experience and take the necessary steps to protect the natural environment. Take time to join the discussion!
http://boatingsailing.suite101.com/
http://boatingsailing.suite101.com/
Monday, July 31, 2006
Winnebago boat rally
The Winnebago boat rally is this August 4,5 & 6th this year.
Wolf River, Winneconne, WI & Waterways of Lake Winnebago
This rally is open to all responsible boaters - no matter what size / kind / style of boat you have. Cruisers to Powerboats, Runabouts to Bass Boats, all are welcome!
There is a $20 entry fee for the Optional Poker Run, and a separate $40 Fee for Optional
VIP Merchandise bag.
Official kick off - Waterfront Park, Winneconne, WI
Rally departs Winneconne in groups to various locations.
All Groups raft-up at The Weedbeds
Arial photos taken
Entertainment, dancing, concessions and socializing to follow!
Jazzfest concert at Waterfront Park featuring John Harmon and Janet Planet.
Come Join us for the 2006 Winnebago Rally
For more information please visit
http://www.winnebagorally.com
Wolf River, Winneconne, WI & Waterways of Lake Winnebago
This rally is open to all responsible boaters - no matter what size / kind / style of boat you have. Cruisers to Powerboats, Runabouts to Bass Boats, all are welcome!
There is a $20 entry fee for the Optional Poker Run, and a separate $40 Fee for Optional
VIP Merchandise bag.
Official kick off - Waterfront Park, Winneconne, WI
Rally departs Winneconne in groups to various locations.
All Groups raft-up at The Weedbeds
Arial photos taken
Entertainment, dancing, concessions and socializing to follow!
Jazzfest concert at Waterfront Park featuring John Harmon and Janet Planet.
Come Join us for the 2006 Winnebago Rally
For more information please visit
http://www.winnebagorally.com
Sunday, July 23, 2006
Appleton Yacht Club
We took our boat on the Lake Winnebago down the lower Fox River to the Appleton Yacht Club trip yesterday.
The Appleton Yacht club is private however if you arrive via water they can serve you. The clubhouse has a nice bar, main dining room and a large patio area on the water side. It’s a nice trip to go thru Menasha past buoy 100 (the big stone cube) then under the Racine street bridge then past Menasha Marina then past Tayco street.
Next you enter the Menasha lock. For $10 (or $5 if your boat is less then 26’) they will lower you down to the level of Little Lake Butte Des Morts. Please note this is a different lake then Lake Butte Des Morts. Little Lake Butte Des Morts is further down the Fox River and in the Menasha Wisconsin area.
The lock is completely hand operated. You get to see the worker run in circles as they move a boom around a gear to open and close the gates. Next then manually open the valves to let the water out as you hold onto two ropes so your boat stays to one side of the lock in the same area. Don’t tie off, you boat will be hanging there if you do.
Exiting the lock there is a channel well marked with red and green buoys.
Continuing north downriver you go under the highway 441 bridge known by locals as the polish connection. As the lake narrows you enter the lower Fox River. It’s a short but beautiful ride looking at the steep riverbanks until you get to a no wake zone. At the far downriver north end of this no wake zone is the Appleton Yacht club.
Guest boat parking is available on the river side. You see a big dead tree in the water. As long as you stick to the south side (upriver, the side you are coming from) you will be fine.
Appleton Yacht Club
http://www.appletonyachtclub.com/
(920) 733 - 9848
The Appleton Yacht club is private however if you arrive via water they can serve you. The clubhouse has a nice bar, main dining room and a large patio area on the water side. It’s a nice trip to go thru Menasha past buoy 100 (the big stone cube) then under the Racine street bridge then past Menasha Marina then past Tayco street.
Next you enter the Menasha lock. For $10 (or $5 if your boat is less then 26’) they will lower you down to the level of Little Lake Butte Des Morts. Please note this is a different lake then Lake Butte Des Morts. Little Lake Butte Des Morts is further down the Fox River and in the Menasha Wisconsin area.
The lock is completely hand operated. You get to see the worker run in circles as they move a boom around a gear to open and close the gates. Next then manually open the valves to let the water out as you hold onto two ropes so your boat stays to one side of the lock in the same area. Don’t tie off, you boat will be hanging there if you do.
Exiting the lock there is a channel well marked with red and green buoys.
Continuing north downriver you go under the highway 441 bridge known by locals as the polish connection. As the lake narrows you enter the lower Fox River. It’s a short but beautiful ride looking at the steep riverbanks until you get to a no wake zone. At the far downriver north end of this no wake zone is the Appleton Yacht club.
Guest boat parking is available on the river side. You see a big dead tree in the water. As long as you stick to the south side (upriver, the side you are coming from) you will be fine.
Appleton Yacht Club
http://www.appletonyachtclub.com/
(920) 733 - 9848
Monday, July 17, 2006
Wego Kite Tubes recall notice
July 13, 2006
Release # 06-210
Sportsstuff Wego Kite Tubes Withdrawn from Market after Reports of Deaths and Injuries
WASHINGTON, D.C. – In cooperation with the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), Sportsstuff, Inc., of Omaha, Nebraska is voluntarily recalling about 19,000 Wego Kite Tubes.
CPSC staff is aware of 39 injury incidents with 29 of those resulting in medical treatment. Those injuries include a broken neck, punctured lung, chest and back injuries and facial injuries. Sportsstuff has received reports of two deaths in the United States and a variety of serious injuries. Sportsstuff has been unable to determine the cause of the incidents. Nevertheless, the company has withdrawn the kite tube from the market and is undertaking this voluntary recall out of an abundance of caution.
The Sportsstuff Wego Kite Tube is a 10-foot-wide, circular, yellow inflatable watercraft
designed to be towed behind a power boat. A rider in the tube becomes airborne by pulling on handles attached to the floor of the tube. Model 53-5000 is printed on the tube near the product valve. The floor of the tube has black caution warning stripes. The cover for the product bears a skull and crossbones and the statement “Never Kite higher than you are willing to fall.” The tubes were imported and sold through marine distributors, mail order catalogs, and various retailers from approximately October 1, 2005 to July 11, 2006 for about $500 to $600.
Consumers should immediately stop using the kite tubes and contact Sportsstuff at (866)
831-5524 between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. CST Monday through Friday to learn how to obtain free replacement products. Consumers can also visit the firm’s Web site at ww.sportsstuff.com formore information.
The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission is charged with protecting the public from unreasonable risks of serious injury or death from more than 15,000 types of consumer products under the agency’s jurisdiction. Deaths, injuries and property damage from consumer product incidents cost the nation more than $700 billion annually. The CPSC is committed to protecting consumers and families from products that pose a fire, electrical, chemical, or mechanical hazard. The CPSC’s work to ensure the safety of consumer products - such as toys, cribs, power tools, cigarette lighters, and household chemicals – contributed significantly to the 30 percent decline in the rate of deaths and injuries associated with consumer products over the past 30 years.
To report a dangerous product or a product-related injury, call CPSC’s hotline at (800) 638-2772 or visit CPSC’s Web site at www.cpsc.gov/talk.html Consumers can obtain this release and recall information at CPSC’s Web site at www.cpsc.gov .
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Release # 06-210
Sportsstuff Wego Kite Tubes Withdrawn from Market after Reports of Deaths and Injuries
WASHINGTON, D.C. – In cooperation with the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), Sportsstuff, Inc., of Omaha, Nebraska is voluntarily recalling about 19,000 Wego Kite Tubes.
CPSC staff is aware of 39 injury incidents with 29 of those resulting in medical treatment. Those injuries include a broken neck, punctured lung, chest and back injuries and facial injuries. Sportsstuff has received reports of two deaths in the United States and a variety of serious injuries. Sportsstuff has been unable to determine the cause of the incidents. Nevertheless, the company has withdrawn the kite tube from the market and is undertaking this voluntary recall out of an abundance of caution.
The Sportsstuff Wego Kite Tube is a 10-foot-wide, circular, yellow inflatable watercraft
designed to be towed behind a power boat. A rider in the tube becomes airborne by pulling on handles attached to the floor of the tube. Model 53-5000 is printed on the tube near the product valve. The floor of the tube has black caution warning stripes. The cover for the product bears a skull and crossbones and the statement “Never Kite higher than you are willing to fall.” The tubes were imported and sold through marine distributors, mail order catalogs, and various retailers from approximately October 1, 2005 to July 11, 2006 for about $500 to $600.
Consumers should immediately stop using the kite tubes and contact Sportsstuff at (866)
831-5524 between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. CST Monday through Friday to learn how to obtain free replacement products. Consumers can also visit the firm’s Web site at ww.sportsstuff.com formore information.
The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission is charged with protecting the public from unreasonable risks of serious injury or death from more than 15,000 types of consumer products under the agency’s jurisdiction. Deaths, injuries and property damage from consumer product incidents cost the nation more than $700 billion annually. The CPSC is committed to protecting consumers and families from products that pose a fire, electrical, chemical, or mechanical hazard. The CPSC’s work to ensure the safety of consumer products - such as toys, cribs, power tools, cigarette lighters, and household chemicals – contributed significantly to the 30 percent decline in the rate of deaths and injuries associated with consumer products over the past 30 years.
To report a dangerous product or a product-related injury, call CPSC’s hotline at (800) 638-2772 or visit CPSC’s Web site at www.cpsc.gov/talk.html Consumers can obtain this release and recall information at CPSC’s Web site at www.cpsc.gov .
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Wednesday, May 10, 2006
New boaters please read this
Congratulations on joining us in becoming a boater.
I have two recommendations:
#1) Take a boaters safety course. They are offered by the coast guard auxiliary, the local power squadron, the DNR and you can also take them online here http://www.boatingbasicsonline.com/
Upon passing this course you will get a certificate / wallet card. Many insurance companies give a discount upon providing them documentation that you successfully completed this course.
#2) I also recommend a FREE vessel safety check. You contact the local coast guard auxiliary or the local power squadron and if you are launched they may offer coming to you to perform the inspection. Upon passing this inspection you will get a vessel decal to display on your boat. One place you can go to sigh up for this free inspection is here: http://safetyseal.net/
I have two recommendations:
#1) Take a boaters safety course. They are offered by the coast guard auxiliary, the local power squadron, the DNR and you can also take them online here http://www.boatingbasicsonline.com/
Upon passing this course you will get a certificate / wallet card. Many insurance companies give a discount upon providing them documentation that you successfully completed this course.
#2) I also recommend a FREE vessel safety check. You contact the local coast guard auxiliary or the local power squadron and if you are launched they may offer coming to you to perform the inspection. Upon passing this inspection you will get a vessel decal to display on your boat. One place you can go to sigh up for this free inspection is here: http://safetyseal.net/
Monday, April 10, 2006
Unlocking the Fox locks – Lake Winnebago to Lake Michigan
There is a system of locks that allows boaters to get from the Lake Winnebago waterway though Menasha and up the Fox River to the bay of Green Bay. Once in Green Bay you can navigate the Great Lakes and get to the rest of the world via water.
Photo of Appleton WI lock curtsy of gwo-main.com
At one time this system of 17 locks allowed commercial traffic to continue upriver through additional locks and connect to the Wisconsin River then to the Mississippi River. This provided a much needed waterway link from Lake Michigan to the Mississippi River. However with the development of the railroad system and the development of other lock systems the commercial traffic has ceased long ago.
Construction of the Fox lock system began in the 1840’s. Due to a lack of funds all but the remaining 3 operational locks were closed in the early 1980’s.
The Fox lock system presently has the first lock in Menasha and the last two locks from Rapid Croche down river to the bay of Green Bay in operation from mid May through the boating season. With the passage of many years of non-use many of the locks are in need of repair.
In 2000 the state of Wisconsin agreed to take over the locks to prevent the system from being abandoned by the army corps of engineers. The state received $11.8 Million with a pledge for an additional $5.6 Million for restoration of the lock system.
With the commercial traffic gone the focus is on tourism and riverfront development. In 1995 an economic impact study was done and this study estimated the re-opening of the lock system would generate a $74 Million annual positive economic impact. With inflation this number should be even higher today.
The ‘private donation’ funding needed to complete this project to re-open and operate the lock system is over ½ way to the goal of $6 Million.
The Friends of the fox http://www.friendsofthefox.org/ is working to raise funds to re-open the lock system and ensure operation for the future. To protect the Winnebago water system of invasive species they plan to build a barrier at Rapide Cronche.
The Friends of the fox http://www.friendsofthefox.org/ will be holding a meeting to give a status update on the project to re-open the lock system. This meeting will be held April 29, 2006 at Waverly Beach starting at 5:00 PM. Waverly Beach, N8770 Fire Lane 1, Menasha, WI 54952.
The above information was prepared by Presentation Rentals a audiovisual equipment rental company in Appleton Wisconsin that offers LCD projector PA public address sound system and accessories. Visit them on the web at http://www.presentationrentals.net
Boat - SeaRay Sundancer 240
Port - Slip #2A, Skipper Buds, Oshkosh, WI
Lisa
Photo of Appleton WI lock curtsy of gwo-main.com
At one time this system of 17 locks allowed commercial traffic to continue upriver through additional locks and connect to the Wisconsin River then to the Mississippi River. This provided a much needed waterway link from Lake Michigan to the Mississippi River. However with the development of the railroad system and the development of other lock systems the commercial traffic has ceased long ago.Construction of the Fox lock system began in the 1840’s. Due to a lack of funds all but the remaining 3 operational locks were closed in the early 1980’s.
The Fox lock system presently has the first lock in Menasha and the last two locks from Rapid Croche down river to the bay of Green Bay in operation from mid May through the boating season. With the passage of many years of non-use many of the locks are in need of repair.
In 2000 the state of Wisconsin agreed to take over the locks to prevent the system from being abandoned by the army corps of engineers. The state received $11.8 Million with a pledge for an additional $5.6 Million for restoration of the lock system.
With the commercial traffic gone the focus is on tourism and riverfront development. In 1995 an economic impact study was done and this study estimated the re-opening of the lock system would generate a $74 Million annual positive economic impact. With inflation this number should be even higher today.
The ‘private donation’ funding needed to complete this project to re-open and operate the lock system is over ½ way to the goal of $6 Million.
The Friends of the fox http://www.friendsofthefox.org/ is working to raise funds to re-open the lock system and ensure operation for the future. To protect the Winnebago water system of invasive species they plan to build a barrier at Rapide Cronche.
The Friends of the fox http://www.friendsofthefox.org/ will be holding a meeting to give a status update on the project to re-open the lock system. This meeting will be held April 29, 2006 at Waverly Beach starting at 5:00 PM. Waverly Beach, N8770 Fire Lane 1, Menasha, WI 54952.
The above information was prepared by Presentation Rentals a audiovisual equipment rental company in Appleton Wisconsin that offers LCD projector PA public address sound system and accessories. Visit them on the web at http://www.presentationrentals.net
Boat - SeaRay Sundancer 240
Port - Slip #2A, Skipper Buds, Oshkosh, WI
Lisa
Tuesday, April 04, 2006
Is electrolysis (stray voltage) eating away at your outdrive?
Is electrolysis (stray voltage) eating away at your outdrive?
So this person told you that they heard of a guy who’s outdrive was ruined from stray voltage corrosion and the offending boat was another boat in the marina.
Stories like this are great at putting fear in us boaters. It has all the making of a good horror film. You can’t see the culprit, you can’t detect it and you fear your boat may be under attack right now. What can you do?
What is electrolysis?
Electrolysis is a reaction between metal and electrical current. Electrolysis occurs when electrical current comes in contact with water near the external metallic parts of your boat.
This electrical current normally comes from an improperly grounded electrical devices or an electrical device that has suffered a short or fault and now has the live or hot side of the electricity in contact with the water.
Electrolysis can cause corrosion much faster then normal galvanic corrosion.
The most expensive external metallic component of your boat is the outdrive often called “the lower unit.” As electrons flow from negative to positive or from your outdrive (the negative source) to the leak (the positive source) the electrons literally carry away the metal of your boat bit by bit.
Most insurance companies do not cover claims against marine electrolysis corrosion. Because of a debate over the very word “electrolysis” the insurance companies do not need to put this exclusion in their policies.
Here is the good news.
In this part of the country we have FRESH water not salt water. Electricity travels through salt water much easier then fresh water. Distance in fresh water maters greatly. 120 volts (a measurement of electrical pressure) in fresh water means the electricity can only travel a short distance to reach your outdrive. Stories of one boat on one pier causing electrolysis on a boat on a different pier are possible but highly unlikely in fresh water. Your own boat and the boats immediately adjacent to your slip or other electrical sources close to your slip are the sources of concern.
What can you do?
Before you hire an electrician and spend money here is how you can tell if you have a problem. This is a test that any boater that keeps their boat in a slip can and should do. Inspect your anodes on your outdrive on a regular basis. These are the silver colored metallic parts on your outdrive. If you have a Mercury Alpha I you have 6 anodes. 5 are visible and 1 is behind the propeller.
Even if you have stray current causing dramatically accelerated corrosion your anodes will function and sacrifice themselves first.
Put on a full set of new magnesium anodes. If they are 50% gone in 6 months to a year this is considered normal wear. With the short season of Wisconsin we can normally go 1 full season in a wet slip then change the anodes during the winter maintenance schedule. If you see uneven wear, say one anode on one trim shaft has had much less mass then the other you need to remove this larger anode and sand the surface area between the anode and the metal the anode touches. The anode is larger because it’s not making good contact and is not doing its job.
Anode mass loss (wear) may be less if you keep your lower unit in the full down position when you leave the boat, if you keep your boat in the water for a shorter season, if you have a very well sealed and painted outdrive or if you do not have a bottom painted boat.
Anode mass loss may be more if you have fresh bottom paint (containes copper) or have an stainless steel propeller. This is becaus stailess steel is a very nobel or low croding metal causing a increased rate of galvanic conversion to the anodes. Dual stainless steel propellers accelerate this further.
If you are seeing signs of flaking paint or corrosion on your outdrive this is a indication that someone before you (or possibly you but lets blame someone else, its more fun) painted over improperly prepared or even a corroded outdrive. You need to sand, seal, prime and paint this area. Left untreated, this will cause your anodes to dissolve much faster then normal.
If the tip of your skeg (lowest fin on the outdrive) is bare aluminum from running thru shallow areas then you need to sand, seal, prime and paint this area. Left untreated, this also will cause your anodes to dissolve much faster then normal. Also, do you have shore power? If yes, you need a galvanic isolator. With out a galvanic isolator you may be causing your own electrolysis problem.
Due to all the metallic items on a boat all boats have an electrical potential. Electrolysis is stray current escaping from the system. When this happens it will reduce the mass of the anodes at a very fast rate leaving the anode metal looking bright and shiny.
Therefore:
Shiny eroded anodes = electrolysis. This is stray voltage induced corrosion and needs to be fixed.
Dull eroded zincs = galvanism. This is dissimilar metal corrosion and will occur naturally on boats kept in a wet slip at a pace of the anode loosing about half its mass after six months. Faster then this and you need to repaint your outdive.
Lets review:
- You start the season with new anodes and they are the proper anodes for your type of water (fresh water = magnesium, salt water = zinc)
- Your outdive is properly sealed and painted. The paint looks good and you see no signs of the paint flaking or corrosion.
- If you have shore power you have a galvanic isolator.
What should you do if you think you have a electrolysis (stray voltage) issue?
If and only if all the above are true yet your anodes are still wearing at a accelerated rate meaning they are reduced to half their original mass in less then 6 months you should hire an marine electrician to check for a possible electrolysis (stray voltage) issue.
What will they do? I don’t want anyone here to do this. Leave this to a trained professional marine electrician.
Here is what they will do. They will take a voltage meter and connect one end to the ground of your shore power. They will then dip the other lead in the water and determine if the voltage is high enough to be considered stray voltage.
The electrician will check if at least 1/2 volts DC or direct current exists.
An amount of DC voltage is normal and will be absorbed with normal anode wear. A boat that has a fresh coat of copper based bottom paint can generate ¼ to 1/3 volt with no connection to shore power and the battery removed.
If you have ¼ to 1/3 volts DC you do not have a problem. If you have ½ volts DC you likely have a problem. If you get to 1 volt DC you have a significant problem. 10 volts and your anodes will be reduced in mass and ineffective in as little as 2 weeks.
If the electrician finds at least ½ volt present the electrician will have one person keep an eye on the meter as another person unplugs your boat. If the meter drops the problem is from your own boat. They will repeat this unplugging your battery cables. In fresh water if there is a stray voltage problem this is the most typical case.
If after unplugging your boat the voltage remains they next will, with the permission of the marina, unplug one boat then the next then anything else in the general area. When something is unplugged and the voltage meter drops the electrical leak source has been found.
Finally, if the electrician determines your slip in the marina is hot, meaning it contains stray voltage and the source is not from your boat but you just can not find or stop the source you need to move to another slip or marina.
The above information was prepared by Presentation Rentals a audiovisual equipment rental company in Appleton Wisconsin that offers LCD projector PA public address sound system and accessories. Visit them on the web at http://www.presentationrentals.net
Boat - SeaRay Sundancer 240
Port - Slip #2A, Skipper Buds, Oshkosh, WI
Lisa
So this person told you that they heard of a guy who’s outdrive was ruined from stray voltage corrosion and the offending boat was another boat in the marina.
Stories like this are great at putting fear in us boaters. It has all the making of a good horror film. You can’t see the culprit, you can’t detect it and you fear your boat may be under attack right now. What can you do?
What is electrolysis?
Electrolysis is a reaction between metal and electrical current. Electrolysis occurs when electrical current comes in contact with water near the external metallic parts of your boat.
This electrical current normally comes from an improperly grounded electrical devices or an electrical device that has suffered a short or fault and now has the live or hot side of the electricity in contact with the water.
Electrolysis can cause corrosion much faster then normal galvanic corrosion.
The most expensive external metallic component of your boat is the outdrive often called “the lower unit.” As electrons flow from negative to positive or from your outdrive (the negative source) to the leak (the positive source) the electrons literally carry away the metal of your boat bit by bit.
Most insurance companies do not cover claims against marine electrolysis corrosion. Because of a debate over the very word “electrolysis” the insurance companies do not need to put this exclusion in their policies.
Here is the good news.
In this part of the country we have FRESH water not salt water. Electricity travels through salt water much easier then fresh water. Distance in fresh water maters greatly. 120 volts (a measurement of electrical pressure) in fresh water means the electricity can only travel a short distance to reach your outdrive. Stories of one boat on one pier causing electrolysis on a boat on a different pier are possible but highly unlikely in fresh water. Your own boat and the boats immediately adjacent to your slip or other electrical sources close to your slip are the sources of concern.
What can you do?
Before you hire an electrician and spend money here is how you can tell if you have a problem. This is a test that any boater that keeps their boat in a slip can and should do. Inspect your anodes on your outdrive on a regular basis. These are the silver colored metallic parts on your outdrive. If you have a Mercury Alpha I you have 6 anodes. 5 are visible and 1 is behind the propeller.
Even if you have stray current causing dramatically accelerated corrosion your anodes will function and sacrifice themselves first.
Put on a full set of new magnesium anodes. If they are 50% gone in 6 months to a year this is considered normal wear. With the short season of Wisconsin we can normally go 1 full season in a wet slip then change the anodes during the winter maintenance schedule. If you see uneven wear, say one anode on one trim shaft has had much less mass then the other you need to remove this larger anode and sand the surface area between the anode and the metal the anode touches. The anode is larger because it’s not making good contact and is not doing its job.
Anode mass loss (wear) may be less if you keep your lower unit in the full down position when you leave the boat, if you keep your boat in the water for a shorter season, if you have a very well sealed and painted outdrive or if you do not have a bottom painted boat.
Anode mass loss may be more if you have fresh bottom paint (containes copper) or have an stainless steel propeller. This is becaus stailess steel is a very nobel or low croding metal causing a increased rate of galvanic conversion to the anodes. Dual stainless steel propellers accelerate this further.
If you are seeing signs of flaking paint or corrosion on your outdrive this is a indication that someone before you (or possibly you but lets blame someone else, its more fun) painted over improperly prepared or even a corroded outdrive. You need to sand, seal, prime and paint this area. Left untreated, this will cause your anodes to dissolve much faster then normal.
If the tip of your skeg (lowest fin on the outdrive) is bare aluminum from running thru shallow areas then you need to sand, seal, prime and paint this area. Left untreated, this also will cause your anodes to dissolve much faster then normal. Also, do you have shore power? If yes, you need a galvanic isolator. With out a galvanic isolator you may be causing your own electrolysis problem.
Due to all the metallic items on a boat all boats have an electrical potential. Electrolysis is stray current escaping from the system. When this happens it will reduce the mass of the anodes at a very fast rate leaving the anode metal looking bright and shiny.
Therefore:
Shiny eroded anodes = electrolysis. This is stray voltage induced corrosion and needs to be fixed.
Dull eroded zincs = galvanism. This is dissimilar metal corrosion and will occur naturally on boats kept in a wet slip at a pace of the anode loosing about half its mass after six months. Faster then this and you need to repaint your outdive.
Lets review:
- You start the season with new anodes and they are the proper anodes for your type of water (fresh water = magnesium, salt water = zinc)
- Your outdive is properly sealed and painted. The paint looks good and you see no signs of the paint flaking or corrosion.
- If you have shore power you have a galvanic isolator.
What should you do if you think you have a electrolysis (stray voltage) issue?
If and only if all the above are true yet your anodes are still wearing at a accelerated rate meaning they are reduced to half their original mass in less then 6 months you should hire an marine electrician to check for a possible electrolysis (stray voltage) issue.
What will they do? I don’t want anyone here to do this. Leave this to a trained professional marine electrician.
Here is what they will do. They will take a voltage meter and connect one end to the ground of your shore power. They will then dip the other lead in the water and determine if the voltage is high enough to be considered stray voltage.
The electrician will check if at least 1/2 volts DC or direct current exists.
An amount of DC voltage is normal and will be absorbed with normal anode wear. A boat that has a fresh coat of copper based bottom paint can generate ¼ to 1/3 volt with no connection to shore power and the battery removed.
If you have ¼ to 1/3 volts DC you do not have a problem. If you have ½ volts DC you likely have a problem. If you get to 1 volt DC you have a significant problem. 10 volts and your anodes will be reduced in mass and ineffective in as little as 2 weeks.
If the electrician finds at least ½ volt present the electrician will have one person keep an eye on the meter as another person unplugs your boat. If the meter drops the problem is from your own boat. They will repeat this unplugging your battery cables. In fresh water if there is a stray voltage problem this is the most typical case.
If after unplugging your boat the voltage remains they next will, with the permission of the marina, unplug one boat then the next then anything else in the general area. When something is unplugged and the voltage meter drops the electrical leak source has been found.
Finally, if the electrician determines your slip in the marina is hot, meaning it contains stray voltage and the source is not from your boat but you just can not find or stop the source you need to move to another slip or marina.
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Boat - SeaRay Sundancer 240
Port - Slip #2A, Skipper Buds, Oshkosh, WI
Lisa
Saturday, April 01, 2006
Wisconsin History – the Winnebago War of 1827
In 1827 the Stockbridge Indian tribe on Lake Winnebago lived in peace and harmony until early English colonists decided to rid the area of the Indians who fished the lake and were often in the way of the “cruisers” of the day, the speedy schooners.
The American Calvary, overwhelmingly favored to win the battle, threatened to cut a certain body part off of all captured Indian soldiers so that they could never fight again. The Indians won in a major upset and waved the body part in question at the Calvary in defiance. What was this body part?
The resistance, known as the Winnebago War of 1827 was led by chief Red Bird. Using this threat of having the body part cut off by the American Calvary to his advantage chief Red Bird convinced the Brothertown Indian tribe, the Ho-Chunk Indian tribe and many other smaller Indian tribes to unite in battle. When the American Calvary in their schooners encountered the united Indian armada they immediately retreated. With the armada in pursuit the Calvary retreated through Oshkosh, Winneconne and headed up the Wolf River to Fremont.
With superior knowledge of the local area chief Red Bird took a select group of warriors and headed on shore to a high bank just beyond Fremont. When the Calvary arrived they found the deep keels on their schooners were more then what could clear the shallow water at this spot of the river. At this point the Calvary could continue no more and were easy targets for the Indians perched high above on the river banks. This shallow wide area, later named “Red Banks” in the chiefs honor was not dredged until almost 100 years later.
With the Calvary unable to go forward they reversed course back to Fremont until they reached the awaiting Indian warrior armada. Scared and facing certain death the Calvary set fire to their own vessels and retreated up the west river banks slipping away from the battle. This very spot became known as “Slip knot.” Defeated and scared the American Calvary ran and did not stop until they reached Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin.
Victorious in battle chief Red Bird ordered the Indian warriors to wave the very body part that the Calvary had so arrogantly threatened to cut off. The body part the American Calvary threatened to cut off of the Indian warriors was the middle finger, without which it is impossible to draw the renowned longbow, favored by the Indians. The act of drawing this long stiff bow made from wood from the yew tree was known as "plucking yew." The victorious Indian warriors shouted to the retreating American Calvary as they ran up the river banks "See, we can still pluck yew! PLUCK YEW!"
Embarrassed by the humiliating defeat President John Quincy Adams, in Nov. 1828 ordered all official records of the battle to be rewritten in favor of a union victory however the story of the battle of Winnebago continues by being passed on generation to generation.
Over the years some 'folk etymologies' have grown up around this symbolic gesture. Since 'pluck yew' is rather difficult to say (like "mother plucker", which is who you had to go to for the feathers used on the arrows), the difficult consonant cluster at the beginning has gradually changed to a labiodental’s fricative 'f', and thus the words often used in conjunction with the defiant gesture are mistakenly thought to have something to do with an intimate encounter. In honor of the victory lead by Red Bird, the Indian chief, the symbolic gesture has become known as "giving the bird".
Today a statue displayed at High Cliff state park commemorates the battle between the Indians and the Americans. To honor this revered leader, a 12 foot statue was erected in High Cliff State Park. Historical revisionists and citizens for decency have forced the officials to have the statue modified from its original historically accurate portrayal as seen in this original photo below to adding an extended pointer, ring and pinky finger next to the middle finger. However if you visit this statue today at High Cliff state park on the north east corner of Lake Winnebago, Wisconsin and you get on someone’s shoulders to take a close look you can see the other fingers are not a perfect match.
The original Statue of chief Red Bird at at High Cliff state park
You can read more about this infamous chief at and this historic battle by visiting the High Cliff General Store Museum. The High Cliff General Store Museum shares the history of the park in one of the original buildings from Sherwood's past. Additionally, visitors can purchase ice cream, candy and other items while examining the items in the museum. The High Cliff General Store Museum is open Friday through Sunday from Memorial Day through Labor Day from noon to 5 p.m.
Native American history is abundant in Calumet County. There are several memorials, preserved burial grounds, and effigy mounds to go back in time and tap one’s desire to experience and learn more. From the Brothertown Indian Memorial at the intersection of Highways 151 and 55, to the Chief Red Bird Memorial in High Cliff State Park, the historic gems you will discover will awe you.
History is not lost on today's residents of Calumet County. Indeed, it is celebrated to this day by keeping the historic traditions alive, specifically by the fisherman of Lake Winnebago.
Now that you know the history you can do your part to keep the storied tradition alive and help repair the rift that divides between cruisers and fishermen through this day.
When you are out on your cruiser and you come across an anchored fisherman rather then avoiding their general vicinity alter your course to take you close to their side. As you pass them hold up your right arm with your middle finger extended and shout “Pluck yew!” If they return with the same geniture and reply “Pluck you too!” you can be proud that you are doing your part to repair this long standing divide between fishermen and cruisers.
The American Calvary, overwhelmingly favored to win the battle, threatened to cut a certain body part off of all captured Indian soldiers so that they could never fight again. The Indians won in a major upset and waved the body part in question at the Calvary in defiance. What was this body part?
The resistance, known as the Winnebago War of 1827 was led by chief Red Bird. Using this threat of having the body part cut off by the American Calvary to his advantage chief Red Bird convinced the Brothertown Indian tribe, the Ho-Chunk Indian tribe and many other smaller Indian tribes to unite in battle. When the American Calvary in their schooners encountered the united Indian armada they immediately retreated. With the armada in pursuit the Calvary retreated through Oshkosh, Winneconne and headed up the Wolf River to Fremont.
With superior knowledge of the local area chief Red Bird took a select group of warriors and headed on shore to a high bank just beyond Fremont. When the Calvary arrived they found the deep keels on their schooners were more then what could clear the shallow water at this spot of the river. At this point the Calvary could continue no more and were easy targets for the Indians perched high above on the river banks. This shallow wide area, later named “Red Banks” in the chiefs honor was not dredged until almost 100 years later.
With the Calvary unable to go forward they reversed course back to Fremont until they reached the awaiting Indian warrior armada. Scared and facing certain death the Calvary set fire to their own vessels and retreated up the west river banks slipping away from the battle. This very spot became known as “Slip knot.” Defeated and scared the American Calvary ran and did not stop until they reached Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin.
Victorious in battle chief Red Bird ordered the Indian warriors to wave the very body part that the Calvary had so arrogantly threatened to cut off. The body part the American Calvary threatened to cut off of the Indian warriors was the middle finger, without which it is impossible to draw the renowned longbow, favored by the Indians. The act of drawing this long stiff bow made from wood from the yew tree was known as "plucking yew." The victorious Indian warriors shouted to the retreating American Calvary as they ran up the river banks "See, we can still pluck yew! PLUCK YEW!"
Embarrassed by the humiliating defeat President John Quincy Adams, in Nov. 1828 ordered all official records of the battle to be rewritten in favor of a union victory however the story of the battle of Winnebago continues by being passed on generation to generation.
Over the years some 'folk etymologies' have grown up around this symbolic gesture. Since 'pluck yew' is rather difficult to say (like "mother plucker", which is who you had to go to for the feathers used on the arrows), the difficult consonant cluster at the beginning has gradually changed to a labiodental’s fricative 'f', and thus the words often used in conjunction with the defiant gesture are mistakenly thought to have something to do with an intimate encounter. In honor of the victory lead by Red Bird, the Indian chief, the symbolic gesture has become known as "giving the bird".
Today a statue displayed at High Cliff state park commemorates the battle between the Indians and the Americans. To honor this revered leader, a 12 foot statue was erected in High Cliff State Park. Historical revisionists and citizens for decency have forced the officials to have the statue modified from its original historically accurate portrayal as seen in this original photo below to adding an extended pointer, ring and pinky finger next to the middle finger. However if you visit this statue today at High Cliff state park on the north east corner of Lake Winnebago, Wisconsin and you get on someone’s shoulders to take a close look you can see the other fingers are not a perfect match.
The original Statue of chief Red Bird at at High Cliff state park
You can read more about this infamous chief at and this historic battle by visiting the High Cliff General Store Museum. The High Cliff General Store Museum shares the history of the park in one of the original buildings from Sherwood's past. Additionally, visitors can purchase ice cream, candy and other items while examining the items in the museum. The High Cliff General Store Museum is open Friday through Sunday from Memorial Day through Labor Day from noon to 5 p.m.
Native American history is abundant in Calumet County. There are several memorials, preserved burial grounds, and effigy mounds to go back in time and tap one’s desire to experience and learn more. From the Brothertown Indian Memorial at the intersection of Highways 151 and 55, to the Chief Red Bird Memorial in High Cliff State Park, the historic gems you will discover will awe you.
History is not lost on today's residents of Calumet County. Indeed, it is celebrated to this day by keeping the historic traditions alive, specifically by the fisherman of Lake Winnebago.
Now that you know the history you can do your part to keep the storied tradition alive and help repair the rift that divides between cruisers and fishermen through this day.
When you are out on your cruiser and you come across an anchored fisherman rather then avoiding their general vicinity alter your course to take you close to their side. As you pass them hold up your right arm with your middle finger extended and shout “Pluck yew!” If they return with the same geniture and reply “Pluck you too!” you can be proud that you are doing your part to repair this long standing divide between fishermen and cruisers.
Thursday, February 16, 2006
Do you have a pre-2004 Merc Bravo III? Slip your boat? READ THIS
If you are a “In and out” boater you don’t need to read this.
It’s no secret; the Mercury Bravo III has a corrosion issue. Lots to read on the web about this.
At issue is all that stainless steel, two props worth and the low sacrificial nature of stainless steel.
It’s no secret; the Mercury Bravo III has a corrosion issue. Lots to read on the web about this.
At issue is all that stainless steel, two props worth and the low sacrificial nature of stainless steel.
Mercury has come out with various things to help like larger, oversized magnesium anodes for us in fresh water, the MerCathode® system and recommending regular inspection and paint touch up products. If you use shore power, you should have an approved galvanic isolator installed to protect against stray current corrosion (electrolysis) from your dock, from your boat's accessories or from other nearby boats.
A new corrosion defense is just out. Likely your dealer or maintenance person does not even know about it yet.
If you have a pre-2004 Mercury Bravo III and slip your boat – spend $70 and get this part. Bravo III Propeller Nut with Magnesium Anode. After the first year, just buy a new anode for about $20.
If your unit is newer you already have it. Until now if it was older you could not add this since you can't drill and tap a thread in the drive shaft...the shaft is hardened and high risk of breaking in trying to do so.
Now you don’t have to drill a hole in your shaft.
Best cost source that I can find:
http://www.boatzincs.com/MERProp-Nut-D-mag.html
Buy it here:
http://www.boatzincs.com/mercruiser-magnesium.html
The official Mercury part number is Merc 809666A02
Mercruiser list price is $159.85.
The above product is the same.
Most of Mercruiser knows nothing about this yet, including their customer service department. It’s only the engineering dept and a few people in distribution that have put this together.
If you want the ‘official’ mercury labeled box, you can get it from Boatfix.com for the best price I could find.
Even they don’t have the part online yet, I’m sure they will soon. How to get it from them is go to http://www.boatfix.com/orderblank.asp and list it as a Prop Anode Kit for a Mercury Bravo III pre 2004. $91.13
Again, most local shops will say this thing does not exist. Give it a year and these same people will be trying to sell you one.
Hope this helps you guys keep your corrosion in check.
$52 Million hotel/condo/water park/marina – the next big date June 21 2006
On February 15th the Oshkosh Common Council had a closed door meeting with Five Rivers Resort developer Tom Doig.
The Oshkosh WI development with Five Rivers is still unclear but at a maximum we will know if it’s a go by June 21st, the final day the developer has to secure financing.
At this point, financing is not set. City councilors are increasingly aware of the challenge Five Rivers developers face in locking in financing by June 21.
After this closed door meeting, Oshkosh Councilor Bryan Bain said “We're really zeroing in on a target here, whether it's 'We're breaking ground' or cutting the fishing line, re-baiting it and recasting for a new fish.”
The only conclusion we can make is the project becoming reality with the current developer and with the current financing arrangement / time frame is at best a long shot. Weather it can be pulled back together or announced DOA may not be known until June 21st.
When asked about the Park Plaza Hotel and convention center just down the river from the proposed resort site, Oshkosh visitors bureau Member John Supple said he feels future hotel development in Oshkosh, including the sale of Park Plaza, is now tied to Five Rivers' future.
"Until the city and Tom Doig decide what's going on, everything's on hold," Supple said. "Nobody will want to invest $3 million in the hotel and then stick a few more million into improvements just to get their butt kicked by Five Rivers."
I feel you can say the same about the Pioneer Inn resort project and the current owner / developer Decade Properties, Inc.
If the Five Rivers project goes ahead, given the market size, the other two projects simply are not feasible.
I hope the Oshkosh council is aware of how not having an answer on one project is postponing development on others.
The Oshkosh WI development with Five Rivers is still unclear but at a maximum we will know if it’s a go by June 21st, the final day the developer has to secure financing.
At this point, financing is not set. City councilors are increasingly aware of the challenge Five Rivers developers face in locking in financing by June 21.
After this closed door meeting, Oshkosh Councilor Bryan Bain said “We're really zeroing in on a target here, whether it's 'We're breaking ground' or cutting the fishing line, re-baiting it and recasting for a new fish.”
The only conclusion we can make is the project becoming reality with the current developer and with the current financing arrangement / time frame is at best a long shot. Weather it can be pulled back together or announced DOA may not be known until June 21st.
When asked about the Park Plaza Hotel and convention center just down the river from the proposed resort site, Oshkosh visitors bureau Member John Supple said he feels future hotel development in Oshkosh, including the sale of Park Plaza, is now tied to Five Rivers' future.
"Until the city and Tom Doig decide what's going on, everything's on hold," Supple said. "Nobody will want to invest $3 million in the hotel and then stick a few more million into improvements just to get their butt kicked by Five Rivers."
I feel you can say the same about the Pioneer Inn resort project and the current owner / developer Decade Properties, Inc.
If the Five Rivers project goes ahead, given the market size, the other two projects simply are not feasible.
I hope the Oshkosh council is aware of how not having an answer on one project is postponing development on others.
Wednesday, January 11, 2006
Winnebago Rally whiteboard – please help
I have started a whiteboard for the Winnebago Rally.
A whiteboard is a web based collaborative document. Anyone with the password can edit the document. Incase someone does damage to the document, like if someone accidentally or on purpose deletes it we can always revert back to a previous saved copy.
If the quality is at a level that is appropriate I plan to suggest having this information added to the www.winnebagorally.com site so when people visit the site they can get a feel for what its all about and will have answers to frequently asked questions.
To help with this effort, please visit….
Web address: http://123.writeboard.com/f3b12dd7b38792030/login
You’ll also need this password: winnebagorally
This doesn't require you to create an account. Just use the URL and password displayed above and you're in.
I invite you to try it.
What do you think about this? Good? Bad?
A whiteboard is a web based collaborative document. Anyone with the password can edit the document. Incase someone does damage to the document, like if someone accidentally or on purpose deletes it we can always revert back to a previous saved copy.
If the quality is at a level that is appropriate I plan to suggest having this information added to the www.winnebagorally.com site so when people visit the site they can get a feel for what its all about and will have answers to frequently asked questions.
To help with this effort, please visit….
Web address: http://123.writeboard.com/f3b12dd7b38792030/login
You’ll also need this password: winnebagorally
This doesn't require you to create an account. Just use the URL and password displayed above and you're in.
I invite you to try it.
What do you think about this? Good? Bad?
Saturday, January 07, 2006
Wisconsin Boating – Lake Winnebago – Streich's beach
Streich's, is a sand bottomed shallow protected area on Lake Winnebago’s west shoreline about 4 miles south of where the Fox river enterers the lake in Oshkosh. Because of the natural protection from the curvature of the shoreline this area is normally calm even when the lake is rough with whitecaps and strong south west summer winds are blowing.
Photo of Streich’s on Lake Winnebago’s west shoreline.
Photo courtesy of WiParty.com
Our family gets to Streich’s often during the summer weekends and we find it to be a nice family friendly area for anchoring and playing in the water or just standing around enjoying the company of friends’ old and new.
I’ve seen it spelled Streich's, Stretchs, Striech’s, Stretches, Streichs, Strieches or Strietches at various internet forums or websites but it does not really matter how you spell it because this popular Lake Winnebago spot does not appear on any regular map or GPS/Chartplotter chart that I have seen.
I made the below map so if you are in the area West of Oshkosh and would like to give it a try here you go.
Map of Streich’s 4 miles south of Oshkosh along the west shoreline of Lake Winnebago, Wisconsin.
On a clear summer day this spot is easy to find. When you come out of the Fox River in Oshkosh go out about a half mile from shore and head straight south. As you look south you will see a white area along the shoreline. As you get close to this area you will see there is nothing white on the shore, the white is from all the boat hulls gathered in one spot.
Unless you are an early bird, when you arrive there will likely already be hundreds of other boats. I recommend you come in as slow as you can and once the depth gauge reads about three feet cut the engine, trim up the lower unit on your boat as far as you can then jump in the water and walk the boat in the rest of the way. With kids and boat anchor lines in the water this is the safest method on those busy sunny warm summer weekends. If it’s not busy you don’t need to do this.
Most boaters anchor with the bow pointed out away from shore with one anchor off the bow and a second anchor off the stern so the boat does not swing in circles bumping into other boats. Also, if your anchor is in a shallow area please tie a bumper, life preserver or other floating object to the anchor so people do not stub their feet on your anchor as they walk past.
Friends often ‘raft-up’ together, tying one boat to the next. It’s not unusual to see multiple groups of a half dozen or more boats rafted together
It’s a very popular area to drop anchor and socialize, swim, play water volley ball, play catch, cook out, enjoy a beer or mixed drinks with friends or just relax. The closest road that runs parallel to this area is Streich Road however there is no public access from land in this area. There are also no restrooms.
The beach does not go to zero depth so this is not ideal for infant children. There is not a dry sand beach. There are spots of ankle deep water so if you keep a close eye on the little ones they will have a great time. The land along this shoreline is densely wooded and private so the only access is by boat. I’d also recommend keeping kids 12 and under in a life jacket during all boating activities but specifically here since the water depth goes through several shallow and deep oscillations before shore.
Boat - SeaRay Sundancer 240 "Holiday"
Port - Slip #309, Pioneer Marina, Oshkosh, WI
Lisa
Photo of Streich’s on Lake Winnebago’s west shoreline.
Photo courtesy of WiParty.com
Our family gets to Streich’s often during the summer weekends and we find it to be a nice family friendly area for anchoring and playing in the water or just standing around enjoying the company of friends’ old and new.
I’ve seen it spelled Streich's, Stretchs, Striech’s, Stretches, Streichs, Strieches or Strietches at various internet forums or websites but it does not really matter how you spell it because this popular Lake Winnebago spot does not appear on any regular map or GPS/Chartplotter chart that I have seen.
I made the below map so if you are in the area West of Oshkosh and would like to give it a try here you go.
Map of Streich’s 4 miles south of Oshkosh along the west shoreline of Lake Winnebago, Wisconsin.
On a clear summer day this spot is easy to find. When you come out of the Fox River in Oshkosh go out about a half mile from shore and head straight south. As you look south you will see a white area along the shoreline. As you get close to this area you will see there is nothing white on the shore, the white is from all the boat hulls gathered in one spot.
Unless you are an early bird, when you arrive there will likely already be hundreds of other boats. I recommend you come in as slow as you can and once the depth gauge reads about three feet cut the engine, trim up the lower unit on your boat as far as you can then jump in the water and walk the boat in the rest of the way. With kids and boat anchor lines in the water this is the safest method on those busy sunny warm summer weekends. If it’s not busy you don’t need to do this.
Most boaters anchor with the bow pointed out away from shore with one anchor off the bow and a second anchor off the stern so the boat does not swing in circles bumping into other boats. Also, if your anchor is in a shallow area please tie a bumper, life preserver or other floating object to the anchor so people do not stub their feet on your anchor as they walk past.
Friends often ‘raft-up’ together, tying one boat to the next. It’s not unusual to see multiple groups of a half dozen or more boats rafted together
It’s a very popular area to drop anchor and socialize, swim, play water volley ball, play catch, cook out, enjoy a beer or mixed drinks with friends or just relax. The closest road that runs parallel to this area is Streich Road however there is no public access from land in this area. There are also no restrooms.
The beach does not go to zero depth so this is not ideal for infant children. There is not a dry sand beach. There are spots of ankle deep water so if you keep a close eye on the little ones they will have a great time. The land along this shoreline is densely wooded and private so the only access is by boat. I’d also recommend keeping kids 12 and under in a life jacket during all boating activities but specifically here since the water depth goes through several shallow and deep oscillations before shore.
Boat - SeaRay Sundancer 240 "Holiday"
Port - Slip #309, Pioneer Marina, Oshkosh, WI
Lisa
Friday, January 06, 2006
Lake Winnebago boating forum
The people at WiParty.com have launched a Lake Winnebago boating and events forum
The site address to go directly to the forum is http://www.wiparty.com/forum/
This forum is great for discussions and information about Lake Winnebago, Appleton, Fox valley and Wolf river boating, party and events.
The more people that join the forum the more information becomes available on the forum. So go ahead on and join. It's free.
Also, if you have a website please provide a link to the forum. Here is one possible description and link you could put on your site but others would also work.
For Lake Winnebago, Appleton, Oshkosh, Fox Valley Wisconsin boating, party and event information please visit the WiParty.com forum
Boat - SeaRay Sundancer 240
Port - Slip #309, Pioneer Marina, Oshkosh, WI
Lisa
The site address to go directly to the forum is http://www.wiparty.com/forum/
This forum is great for discussions and information about Lake Winnebago, Appleton, Fox valley and Wolf river boating, party and events.
The more people that join the forum the more information becomes available on the forum. So go ahead on and join. It's free.
Also, if you have a website please provide a link to the forum. Here is one possible description and link you could put on your site but others would also work.
For Lake Winnebago, Appleton, Oshkosh, Fox Valley Wisconsin boating, party and event information please visit the WiParty.com forum
Boat - SeaRay Sundancer 240
Port - Slip #309, Pioneer Marina, Oshkosh, WI
Lisa
Wednesday, January 04, 2006
2006 calendar – on the water in the greater Fox Valley area
Below is a 2006 greater Fox Valley area Boating calendar.
If you have additional information, events or corrections please post below the date, event details and a link to where more information is available.
January 2006
Jaunary 14, 2006 Winnebago Rally planning meeting. Starting at 1:00 pm. Slipknot in Fremont. http://www.winnebagorally.com
January 20 thru 29 Milwaukee Boat show. For details see http://www.showspan.com/mbs/
February 2006
February 17, 18, 19 49th Annual WBAY Boat Show Veterans Memorial Arena and ShopKo Hall, across from Lambeau Field Green Bay. (this event is not on the water) For details see http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=28391
March 2006
March 24 (tennative date) Oshkosh Thunder Poker Run "Crack the Ice" at the Oshkosh Hilton Garden hotel. For questions, contact Mark or Amie Lee at 920.426.2145, Mark@OshkoshThunder.com (this event is not on the water) http://www.oshkoshthunder.com/
May 2006
Mid May (around the 14th) Bridges become operational in Oshkosh (4) Menasha (2) and Winneconne (1) and the railroad bridge’s in Oshkosh (1) and Menasha (1) become operational for the season. Also the Menasha lock (1) becomes operational.
May 20 Oshkosh Fishing Has No Boundaries-anglers with disabilities Contact: Dr Bob Weber 920-424-1389 Menominee Park http://www.fhnbinc.org/oshkosh.html also www.uwosh.edu/adaptedpe
June 2006
June 9, 10, 11 Walleye Weekend – Lakeside park, Fond du Lac. Festival, Fish fry, lumberjack show, music, Mercury Marine’s National Walleye Fishing Tournament
http://www.fdlfest.com/walleye_weekend.html
June 16, 17, 18 The Oshkosh Walleye Weekend fishing tournament. Miller's Bay - Menominee Park. Miller's Bay - Menominee Park. Jerry's Bar - 920-231-7380
June 16, 17, 18 Oshkosh Thunder Poker Run (fund raiser - The cost of the event is $400 but free to just go and watch) Go just to look and listen to the incredible speed boats. Note: New location - Park Plaza in Oshkosh http://www.oshkoshthunder.com/Special note by the author. One of the goals of this event is to provide support for the navigational buoy systems on Lake Winnebago, Butte des Mortes, and Poygan in an attempt to make the waterways safer for all boaters. They provide support for various charities as well as the Sheriff's Department Boating Division and the DNR.
TBA June Menasha Marina Coast Guard voluntary boat inspections 9-noon 920-967-5193
June 30-July 4 Oshkosh Sawdust Days Festival - Menominee Park-fireworks
http://www.sawdustdays.com/
July 2006
TBA (I would guess July 1,2) Communityfest - Menasha-Jefferson Park fireworks on the (date not yet set) at dusk.
July 3,4 Communityfest - Neenah, 9:15PM (lighted street Parade on the 3rd, Main Street - Neenahs Riverside Park on the 4th, venetian boat parade & fireworks on the 4th at dusk
July 4 – Winneconne – Over Lake Winneconne – fireworks at dusk
http://www.winneconne.org/Chamber/calendar.html
July 4 Fond du Lac concert & fireworks at Lakeside Park 7:30-dusk
July 8,9 Fremont Rive Days on the banks of the Wolf River in Fremont WI. Crafts, Food, Spirits, Ski show, fireworks. http://www.fremontwis.com/
July 24-30 EAA Air Venture EAA grounds, Oshkosh (not on the water)
http://www.airventure.org/
August 2006
August 4, 5, 6 Winnebago Rally – Oshkosh
Boat rally open to all boaters. The main rally on Saturday August 5 starts and ends at the Pioneer Inn Marina in Oshkosh WI. Official website http://www.winnebagorally.com
August 6 Captain's Cove water volleyball tournament on the south west side of Lake Poygan. 920-582-4757
Aug TBA Fond du Lac Fishing Has No Boundaries-event for mentally and physically disabled-Lakeside Park http://www.fhnbinc.org/fonddulac.html
August TBA Duck Races held at JW Stringers on the Wolf River, about 8 miles past Fremont. 920-867-2884. Note: They close down in the off season.
August 25, 26, 27 Oshkosh EAA grounds. Ducks Unlimited. (not on the water) http://www.outdoorsbest.com/dugof/
September 2006
Sept 1-2 Oshkosh Thunderfest
http://www.oshkoshthunder.com/
Re-occurring through the summer 2006
Fremont - Webfooter’s Water Ski Show-Wednesday and Sundays - 6pm June 4-Aug 27
http://www.webfooters.org/
Oshkosh - live music held at the Leach Amphitheater on the river between the main street and railroad bridge.
http://waterfest.oshkosh.net/
Oshkosh – live music held at Fratellos restaurant on the river just west of the Oshkosh Avenue bridge.
http://www.supplerestaurantgroup.com/fratellos/osh_calendar.asp
Winneconne Waterfront Concert series.
http://www.winneconne.org/Chamber/calendar.html
Boat - SeaRay Sundancer 240
Port - Slip #309, Pioneer Marina, Oshkosh, WI
Lisa
If you have additional information, events or corrections please post below the date, event details and a link to where more information is available.
January 2006
Jaunary 14, 2006 Winnebago Rally planning meeting. Starting at 1:00 pm. Slipknot in Fremont. http://www.winnebagorally.com
January 20 thru 29 Milwaukee Boat show. For details see http://www.showspan.com/mbs/
February 2006
February 17, 18, 19 49th Annual WBAY Boat Show Veterans Memorial Arena and ShopKo Hall, across from Lambeau Field Green Bay. (this event is not on the water) For details see http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=28391
March 2006
March 24 (tennative date) Oshkosh Thunder Poker Run "Crack the Ice" at the Oshkosh Hilton Garden hotel. For questions, contact Mark or Amie Lee at 920.426.2145, Mark@OshkoshThunder.com (this event is not on the water) http://www.oshkoshthunder.com/
May 2006
Mid May (around the 14th) Bridges become operational in Oshkosh (4) Menasha (2) and Winneconne (1) and the railroad bridge’s in Oshkosh (1) and Menasha (1) become operational for the season. Also the Menasha lock (1) becomes operational.
May 20 Oshkosh Fishing Has No Boundaries-anglers with disabilities Contact: Dr Bob Weber 920-424-1389 Menominee Park http://www.fhnbinc.org/oshkosh.html also www.uwosh.edu/adaptedpe
June 2006
June 9, 10, 11 Walleye Weekend – Lakeside park, Fond du Lac. Festival, Fish fry, lumberjack show, music, Mercury Marine’s National Walleye Fishing Tournament
http://www.fdlfest.com/walleye_weekend.html
June 16, 17, 18 The Oshkosh Walleye Weekend fishing tournament. Miller's Bay - Menominee Park. Miller's Bay - Menominee Park. Jerry's Bar - 920-231-7380
June 16, 17, 18 Oshkosh Thunder Poker Run (fund raiser - The cost of the event is $400 but free to just go and watch) Go just to look and listen to the incredible speed boats. Note: New location - Park Plaza in Oshkosh http://www.oshkoshthunder.com/Special note by the author. One of the goals of this event is to provide support for the navigational buoy systems on Lake Winnebago, Butte des Mortes, and Poygan in an attempt to make the waterways safer for all boaters. They provide support for various charities as well as the Sheriff's Department Boating Division and the DNR.
TBA June Menasha Marina Coast Guard voluntary boat inspections 9-noon 920-967-5193
June 30-July 4 Oshkosh Sawdust Days Festival - Menominee Park-fireworks
http://www.sawdustdays.com/
July 2006
TBA (I would guess July 1,2) Communityfest - Menasha-Jefferson Park fireworks on the (date not yet set) at dusk.
July 3,4 Communityfest - Neenah, 9:15PM (lighted street Parade on the 3rd, Main Street - Neenahs Riverside Park on the 4th, venetian boat parade & fireworks on the 4th at dusk
July 4 – Winneconne – Over Lake Winneconne – fireworks at dusk
http://www.winneconne.org/Chamber/calendar.html
July 4 Fond du Lac concert & fireworks at Lakeside Park 7:30-dusk
July 8,9 Fremont Rive Days on the banks of the Wolf River in Fremont WI. Crafts, Food, Spirits, Ski show, fireworks. http://www.fremontwis.com/
July 24-30 EAA Air Venture EAA grounds, Oshkosh (not on the water)
http://www.airventure.org/
August 2006
August 4, 5, 6 Winnebago Rally – Oshkosh
Boat rally open to all boaters. The main rally on Saturday August 5 starts and ends at the Pioneer Inn Marina in Oshkosh WI. Official website http://www.winnebagorally.com
August 6 Captain's Cove water volleyball tournament on the south west side of Lake Poygan. 920-582-4757
Aug TBA Fond du Lac Fishing Has No Boundaries-event for mentally and physically disabled-Lakeside Park http://www.fhnbinc.org/fonddulac.html
August TBA Duck Races held at JW Stringers on the Wolf River, about 8 miles past Fremont. 920-867-2884. Note: They close down in the off season.
August 25, 26, 27 Oshkosh EAA grounds. Ducks Unlimited. (not on the water) http://www.outdoorsbest.com/dugof/
September 2006
Sept 1-2 Oshkosh Thunderfest
http://www.oshkoshthunder.com/
Re-occurring through the summer 2006
Fremont - Webfooter’s Water Ski Show-Wednesday and Sundays - 6pm June 4-Aug 27
http://www.webfooters.org/
Oshkosh - live music held at the Leach Amphitheater on the river between the main street and railroad bridge.
http://waterfest.oshkosh.net/
Oshkosh – live music held at Fratellos restaurant on the river just west of the Oshkosh Avenue bridge.
http://www.supplerestaurantgroup.com/fratellos/osh_calendar.asp
Winneconne Waterfront Concert series.
http://www.winneconne.org/Chamber/calendar.html
Boat - SeaRay Sundancer 240
Port - Slip #309, Pioneer Marina, Oshkosh, WI
Lisa
Tuesday, January 03, 2006
Boaters Safety course – online
Boaters Safety course – online
We all want to have a great yet safe time in our boating hobby, right? Many of us even intend to take a boaters safety course but with jobs, family and other commitments it’s hard to find the time. If you take the next step and look into taking a class you may find the schedule just does not fit with your schedule.
If this sounds like you then online boater’s safety is the answer.
The web address is http://www.boatingbasicsonline.com/
The course is FREE ($10 if you take the final online exam), its available 24 hours a day and covers a broad range of topics including state and federal laws and a general boating information.
Having taken this course last summer I recommend it to anyone who has not taken the traditional boaters safety class.
The course is divided into ten chapters. They take about an hour each. Each chapter has a review quiz.
The ten chapters cover topics like terminology, boat types, propulsion, registering and numbering, required and recommended equipment, trailering, maintenance, fueling, navigation rules, aids to navigation, line handling, docking, anchoring, maneuvering, water sports, personal watercraft, accidents, repairs, locks, damns, security and sailing.
The online course even adds state specific laws when applicable.
After completing the ten chapters and review quizzes you can also take a free practice exam. If you decide to take the official certified exam there is a $10 charge. If you do this and pass, send a copy of your certificate to your insurance carrier for your boat. I did this with our insurance carrier and they sent me a check for the difference between my old and new premium and it was more the cost of the exam.
The course is approved by the National Association of State Boating Law Administrators (NASBLA) and recognized as acceptable to the United States Coast Guard Recreational Boating Program.
Again, the web address for this course is http://www.boatingbasicsonline.com/
Boat - SeaRay Sundancer 240
Port - Slip #309, Pioneer Marina, Oshkosh, WI
Lisa
We all want to have a great yet safe time in our boating hobby, right? Many of us even intend to take a boaters safety course but with jobs, family and other commitments it’s hard to find the time. If you take the next step and look into taking a class you may find the schedule just does not fit with your schedule.
If this sounds like you then online boater’s safety is the answer.
The web address is http://www.boatingbasicsonline.com/
The course is FREE ($10 if you take the final online exam), its available 24 hours a day and covers a broad range of topics including state and federal laws and a general boating information.
Having taken this course last summer I recommend it to anyone who has not taken the traditional boaters safety class.
The course is divided into ten chapters. They take about an hour each. Each chapter has a review quiz.
The ten chapters cover topics like terminology, boat types, propulsion, registering and numbering, required and recommended equipment, trailering, maintenance, fueling, navigation rules, aids to navigation, line handling, docking, anchoring, maneuvering, water sports, personal watercraft, accidents, repairs, locks, damns, security and sailing.
The online course even adds state specific laws when applicable.
After completing the ten chapters and review quizzes you can also take a free practice exam. If you decide to take the official certified exam there is a $10 charge. If you do this and pass, send a copy of your certificate to your insurance carrier for your boat. I did this with our insurance carrier and they sent me a check for the difference between my old and new premium and it was more the cost of the exam.
The course is approved by the National Association of State Boating Law Administrators (NASBLA) and recognized as acceptable to the United States Coast Guard Recreational Boating Program.
Again, the web address for this course is http://www.boatingbasicsonline.com/
Boat - SeaRay Sundancer 240
Port - Slip #309, Pioneer Marina, Oshkosh, WI
Lisa
$52 Million hotel/condo/water park/marina – the next big date January 16, 2006
I have reviewed a memo from the Oshkosh Director of Community Development about the proposed $52 Million hotel/condo/water park/marina planned for the Marion
Road/Pearl Redevelopment Area (includes part of the Mercury Marine plant 24 site) on the North side of the Fox River in Oshksoh, WI.
The “money” deadline is fast approaching. Until the money is there its all just talk.
The developer, Five Rivers Development LLC and its President Tom Doig have until January 16, 2006 to secure construction and permanent financing and equity
necessary to complete the Phase 1 project, and to provide to the City/RDA conditional
commitments for such funding.
Phase I
-condominium-hotel-marina resort complex with 312 units
-an approximate 58,764 square foot conference center
-an indoor/outdoor water feature with approximately 15,289 square feet of indoor space
-food and beverage facilities totaling approximately 16,710 square feet
-a commercial marina with approximately 100 slips
-an associated yacht club
-an approximate 100-space parking area within the main structure
-a 350-400 space surface parking area on the north side of Marion Road.
-approximately 436,356 square feet of building space in a 10 story plus structure.
I personally have been vocal that the local market size dictates the amount of resort, condominium and marina facilities that can succeed. The current Pioneer Inn marina has the capacity to provide 5 piers yet is unable to fill 4. Because of this economic reality I feel its unlikely both condominium-hotel-marina resort complex projects will go forward.
So mark January 16th on your calendar. If funding and the other terms of the agreement between Five Rives and the City of Oshkosh Redevelopment Authority are reached by this deadline you can count on the Phase I of the project going forward with a targeted opening date set for the summer of 2007. You can also likely count out the Pioneer Inn condominium-hotel-marina resort complex.
Either way we are only weeks away from gaining a better understanding on how the Oshkosh water front landscape will develop.
Boat - SeaRay Sundancer 240
Port - Slip #309, Pioneer Marina, Oshkosh, WI
Lisa
Road/Pearl Redevelopment Area (includes part of the Mercury Marine plant 24 site) on the North side of the Fox River in Oshksoh, WI.
The “money” deadline is fast approaching. Until the money is there its all just talk.
The developer, Five Rivers Development LLC and its President Tom Doig have until January 16, 2006 to secure construction and permanent financing and equity
necessary to complete the Phase 1 project, and to provide to the City/RDA conditional
commitments for such funding.
Phase I
-condominium-hotel-marina resort complex with 312 units
-an approximate 58,764 square foot conference center
-an indoor/outdoor water feature with approximately 15,289 square feet of indoor space
-food and beverage facilities totaling approximately 16,710 square feet
-a commercial marina with approximately 100 slips
-an associated yacht club
-an approximate 100-space parking area within the main structure
-a 350-400 space surface parking area on the north side of Marion Road.
-approximately 436,356 square feet of building space in a 10 story plus structure.
I personally have been vocal that the local market size dictates the amount of resort, condominium and marina facilities that can succeed. The current Pioneer Inn marina has the capacity to provide 5 piers yet is unable to fill 4. Because of this economic reality I feel its unlikely both condominium-hotel-marina resort complex projects will go forward.
So mark January 16th on your calendar. If funding and the other terms of the agreement between Five Rives and the City of Oshkosh Redevelopment Authority are reached by this deadline you can count on the Phase I of the project going forward with a targeted opening date set for the summer of 2007. You can also likely count out the Pioneer Inn condominium-hotel-marina resort complex.
Either way we are only weeks away from gaining a better understanding on how the Oshkosh water front landscape will develop.
Boat - SeaRay Sundancer 240
Port - Slip #309, Pioneer Marina, Oshkosh, WI
Lisa
Monday, November 21, 2005
Winnebago Rally Oshkosh WI
Winnebago Rally Oshkosh WI
The dates have been set for the 2006 Winnebago Rally.
2006 Rally dates: August 4, 5, 6
You can read more about this rally that starts and ends in Oshkosh WI here:
http://www.winnebagorally.com
Note: This rally is not a SeaRay rally. Its open to all types of boats. Family fun and meeting people with boating interest is what it’s all about.
Just a bit more information, this rally starts and ends the Pioneer Inn in Oshkosh, WI.
You do not have to have a slip to participate in the rally. The marina has many spots along the wall to tie up for non-overnight guests. Renting a slip for the night is a option.
It makes its way via the Fox River through Oshkosh to Lake Butte Des Morts.
It then enters the Wolf River as you pass through Winneconne. After you go under the Winneconne bridge you go through Lake Winneconne and a small portion of Lake Poygan. You then continue up the Wolf River to Partridge Lake.
At Partridge Lake and several other spots along the way are sand bottom areas boats drop anchor, tie up for swimming and fun.
Also in route are several bars and restaurants.
Poker hands are available at an extra fee but not required to be part of the rally.
Round trip it’s a little under 70 miles.
The focus is on family fun.
The person who does the website and organizes this can be reached by clicking "webmaster" at the website above.
Boat - SeaRay Sundancer 240
Port - Slip #309, Pioneer Marina, Oshkosh, WI
Lisa
The dates have been set for the 2006 Winnebago Rally.
2006 Rally dates: August 4, 5, 6
You can read more about this rally that starts and ends in Oshkosh WI here:
http://www.winnebagorally.com
Note: This rally is not a SeaRay rally. Its open to all types of boats. Family fun and meeting people with boating interest is what it’s all about.
Just a bit more information, this rally starts and ends the Pioneer Inn in Oshkosh, WI.
You do not have to have a slip to participate in the rally. The marina has many spots along the wall to tie up for non-overnight guests. Renting a slip for the night is a option.
It makes its way via the Fox River through Oshkosh to Lake Butte Des Morts.
It then enters the Wolf River as you pass through Winneconne. After you go under the Winneconne bridge you go through Lake Winneconne and a small portion of Lake Poygan. You then continue up the Wolf River to Partridge Lake.
At Partridge Lake and several other spots along the way are sand bottom areas boats drop anchor, tie up for swimming and fun.
Also in route are several bars and restaurants.
Poker hands are available at an extra fee but not required to be part of the rally.
Round trip it’s a little under 70 miles.
The focus is on family fun.
The person who does the website and organizes this can be reached by clicking "webmaster" at the website above.
Boat - SeaRay Sundancer 240
Port - Slip #309, Pioneer Marina, Oshkosh, WI
Lisa
Monday, October 03, 2005
Solution to the Pioneer Inn Oshkosh project
The construction of the $35,000,000 resort / condominium is on hold due to a dispute over the private use of public land on a portion of the property.
Basically, the area in dispute was once a river. This area, known as ‘reclaimed riverbed’ makes up a portion of the island. The proposed resort will occupy a portion of this public land.
At dispute is the fact that the multiple-owner structure of the funding of the condominium project would violate the previous agreement that had been in place since the original hotel was built.
The stalemate over the land use dispute can be resolved by the city since June 23, 2005.
With the new definition of the words “public use” as tested under the case known as Kelo versus the City of New London, decided June 23, 2005 by the supreme court of the United States, its clear the city of Oshkosh has within its power of eminent domain the ability to take the disputed public land on the North most part of the island where the Pioneer Inn once stood and convert the land to private ownership for the purpose of economic growth and does not need the approval of the DNR or any other authority.
Before this case, eminent domain was generally accepted to be limited to:
1) Areas where the land would go from private use to public. Examples would be for the construction of a road, bridge or park.
2) Areas that were blighted (run down, and in disrepair.) Examples would be a inner city slum that is tore down and rebuilt as a nice private owned apartment complex.
With the above verdict you can now add a third case where a city can exercise its powers of eminent domain:
3) Where the transfer of land ownership to private ownership will result in a positive economic impact for the area. Or in legal speak "The court found that if an economic project creates new jobs, increases tax and other city revenues, and revitalizes a depressed (even if not blighted) urban area, it qualifies as a public use."
During the trial before the Supreme Court Justice Scalia suggested that a ruling in favor of the city would eliminate "the distinction between private use and public use" of land. One can only conclude that there is no longer a distinction between private and public land ownership and use. All land ownership and use is now public as defined as what would benefit the public the most.
Even in the writings of the dissenting opinions of Sandra Day O’Connor wrote "Any property may now be taken for the benefit of another private party, but the fallout from this decision will not be random. The beneficiaries are likely to be those citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms." She argued that the decision eliminates "any distinction between private and public use of property — and thereby effectively [deletes] the words 'for public use' from the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment".
Judge Richard Posner published an Kelo decision analysis. Judge Posner concluded eminent domain can properly be used to address holdouts even in transactions involving private parties, such as utilities or other entities. Clearly the DNR would be the other entity in this case.
If you are still reading this, you really got to pay attention to this next part. “Soon after the decision, city officials announced plans to charge the residents of the homes for back rent for the five years since condemnation procedures began. The city contends that the residents have been on city property for those five years and owe tens of thousands of dollars of rent.” So as soon as the city of Oshkosh makes a claim to the land it can charge the DNR by month over any time the DNR chooses to dispute the claim.
It’s a win-win for the city of Oshkosh. As soon as it makes a claim for the land it can either get it or get rent for it.
How long it will take the local politicians to realize they don’t need to listen to the DNR anymore is anyone’s guess.
Boat - SeaRay Sundancer 240
Port - Slip #309, Pioneer Marina, Oshkosh, WI
Lisa
Basically, the area in dispute was once a river. This area, known as ‘reclaimed riverbed’ makes up a portion of the island. The proposed resort will occupy a portion of this public land.
At dispute is the fact that the multiple-owner structure of the funding of the condominium project would violate the previous agreement that had been in place since the original hotel was built.
The stalemate over the land use dispute can be resolved by the city since June 23, 2005.
With the new definition of the words “public use” as tested under the case known as Kelo versus the City of New London, decided June 23, 2005 by the supreme court of the United States, its clear the city of Oshkosh has within its power of eminent domain the ability to take the disputed public land on the North most part of the island where the Pioneer Inn once stood and convert the land to private ownership for the purpose of economic growth and does not need the approval of the DNR or any other authority.
Before this case, eminent domain was generally accepted to be limited to:
1) Areas where the land would go from private use to public. Examples would be for the construction of a road, bridge or park.
2) Areas that were blighted (run down, and in disrepair.) Examples would be a inner city slum that is tore down and rebuilt as a nice private owned apartment complex.
With the above verdict you can now add a third case where a city can exercise its powers of eminent domain:
3) Where the transfer of land ownership to private ownership will result in a positive economic impact for the area. Or in legal speak "The court found that if an economic project creates new jobs, increases tax and other city revenues, and revitalizes a depressed (even if not blighted) urban area, it qualifies as a public use."
During the trial before the Supreme Court Justice Scalia suggested that a ruling in favor of the city would eliminate "the distinction between private use and public use" of land. One can only conclude that there is no longer a distinction between private and public land ownership and use. All land ownership and use is now public as defined as what would benefit the public the most.
Even in the writings of the dissenting opinions of Sandra Day O’Connor wrote "Any property may now be taken for the benefit of another private party, but the fallout from this decision will not be random. The beneficiaries are likely to be those citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms." She argued that the decision eliminates "any distinction between private and public use of property — and thereby effectively [deletes] the words 'for public use' from the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment".
Judge Richard Posner published an Kelo decision analysis. Judge Posner concluded eminent domain can properly be used to address holdouts even in transactions involving private parties, such as utilities or other entities. Clearly the DNR would be the other entity in this case.
If you are still reading this, you really got to pay attention to this next part. “Soon after the decision, city officials announced plans to charge the residents of the homes for back rent for the five years since condemnation procedures began. The city contends that the residents have been on city property for those five years and owe tens of thousands of dollars of rent.” So as soon as the city of Oshkosh makes a claim to the land it can charge the DNR by month over any time the DNR chooses to dispute the claim.
It’s a win-win for the city of Oshkosh. As soon as it makes a claim for the land it can either get it or get rent for it.
How long it will take the local politicians to realize they don’t need to listen to the DNR anymore is anyone’s guess.
Boat - SeaRay Sundancer 240
Port - Slip #309, Pioneer Marina, Oshkosh, WI
Lisa
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